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A couple of things, we need to confirm there wasn't any typo's in that listing. In the event that it's accurate Epon must have done something to make sure it doesn't play like your standard 45" 10.5 driver.

Take a look at the new PRGR Egg 7 degree driver. Hit's it higher than a buddy of mines 9.5 by messing with the shaft the face depth and other factors I dont see why they can't produce a 10.5* head thats super duper low.
 

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Ya, has to be a typo. Some uber secret technology aside, kinda goes against all logic.
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it doesnt go against all logic, its quite logical and actually does makes alot of sense. if they are truly doing it kudos to them. the shorter the shaft the more control you have over the club. the more control you have over the club the more chance you have at having repeatable solid hits right on the sweetspot. the closer you are to the sweetspot the better is energy transfer from the clubhead to the ball and this results in higher ball speed and thus more distance. it also brings more accuracy as on center hits tighten dispersion. yes, you can get more clubhead speed with longer shaft but in most cases it is wasted due to lack of solid contact making added length and speed detrimental. ask Jamie Sadlowski, he has shorter driver that he is using in actual play and its not because he overshoots otherwise. anyone who can consistently hit their 46/45 on the screws i salute you but those who cant might benefit from shorter shaft length quite alot. this excerpt from Tom Wishon book which is worth reading in relation to this whole thing http://www.wishongol...lub_excerpt.php
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Ok, perhaps not against all logic, but certainly against the grain, where the trend as of late has been toward longer and longer drivers. The blurb on better energy transfer and consistency at shorter lengths is certainly true. But I think most people can make decent contact with a controlled swing, especially with how forgiving game improvement clubs are these days. It's my opinion that there would considerable distance loss decreasing your club length by 3-4 inches.
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It's my opinion that there would considerable distance loss decreasing your club length by 3-4 inches.


Absolutely.

It would be different if they could increase the cor, but they can't if they want it to conform.
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I like the fact its 10.5
ive been micking around with higher launch driver heads recently and as memtioned the pairing of the real low spin shafts in these heads ive found a reallynice balance i get a mid highish flight but its a good flight the ball popps off the face and the face at address looks a lot more friendly than a. 9'
the cpl thap sprimg to mind are the solid contacts and the yamaha tour
the more lofted faces tend to give me a more secure feeling dont tgink im gonna missthem catastophically like an8.5
god if nakajima san was around id get to test this baby might give him a buz see if he can still get his hands one one!
the diamana x and thus look made for each othert

Edited by supo67, 18 February 2012 - 12:13 AM.

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This is a compact deep faced head, and if the COG is really high 10.5 is probably smart in order to be able to launch the head at all. The added loft will give some extra forgivness and coupled with a (supposedly) high COG it can be a terrific driver. One thing Im slightly surprised about though is the face material..Havent we learned and been told that 6-4 ti is a budget s**t metal and only DAT 55, 56, SP700 or that special Endo Ti that I cant remember the name of right now is good enough in a super premium head? 6-4 is what all budget heads use.
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there would be a loss not as much as marketing machine would lead us to believe. distance loss from off center hit is more significant than distance gain from longer shaft.

there are plenty of people who play their 3 wood instead of driver, met a few and they always say that its because the distance for them is roughly equal on average between the two but 3 wood is more reliable. think about this for minute. people hit a smaller size, much worse COR club and get roughly the same distance and more reliable accuracy. granted that can be for variety of reasons but you give them a reasonably forgiving high COR driver head on a shorter stick similar length to their 3 wood and they just might wanna buy it.

maybe its a typo and maybe its too extreme and maybe they are not doing it but i was hoping that in addition smaller heads trend among manufacturers theres gonna be shorter shaft trend coming and not just cutting shafts to shorter length but also designing clubheads that should work better with shorter shaft length. its ridiculous that manufacturers sell longer stock drivers to general public while even tour players whos ability to hit consistently is ways higher and who play on super manicured courses with practically no real rough still prefer to play shorter length. how is that logical ?!

Ok, perhaps not against all logic, but certainly against the grain, where the trend as of late has been toward longer and longer drivers. The blurb on better energy transfer and consistency at shorter lengths is certainly true. But I think most people can make decent contact with a controlled swing, especially with how forgiving game improvement clubs are these days. It's my opinion that there would considerable distance loss decreasing your club length by 3-4 inches.


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This is a compact deep faced head, and if the COG is really high 10.5 is probably smart in order to be able to launch the head at all. The added loft will give some extra forgivness and coupled with a (supposedly) high COG it can be a terrific driver. One thing Im slightly surprised about though is the face material..Havent we learned and been told that 6-4 ti is a budget s**t metal and only DAT 55, 56, SP700 or that special Endo Ti that I cant remember the name of right now is good enough in a super premium head? 6-4 is what all budget heads use.


6-4ti is not very expensive. But this I assume like all of Epon's clubs will be Forged Ti not cast and made in Japan. We will see what their logic is behind this.
 

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its a typo indeed. got interested in this and turns out the actual length is pretty standard modern 45.25. oh well, somebody will get it right someday ;)

http://www.gcc-tomit...jp/img/zero.jpg
http://www.gcc-tomit...pdf/zero123.pdf
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its a typo indeed. got interested in this and turns out the actual length is pretty standard modern 45.25. oh well, somebody will get it right someday ;)

http://www.gcc-tomit...jp/img/zero.jpg
http://www.gcc-tomit...pdf/zero123.pdf


What length is your driver?
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PERFECT! It comes with the Tour AD BB7 too! Still, does it only come in 10.5? Please tell me they will do custom orders in 8.5...
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PERFECT! It comes with the Tour AD BB7 too! Still, does it only come in 10.5? Please tell me they will do custom orders in 8.5...


Dang, diarrhea, you want a tiny head w/ 8.5 And bb7? what's your, ss?
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I launch the hell out of the ball - way too much spin and height and I end up loosing major yardage due to my steep swing. Without being obnoxious, i'm a big athletic guy so i can swing it very quick. On those swing radar things i've been as high as 149mph. But i've heard those aren't totally accurate. I'm sure I could get in the 145 range with a long drive club, though.
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Wow! 149mph? All you need is a wedge and a putter. I remember seeing a video of sadowlski hitting his putter 300 yards.
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Hahahah BIG "if"... it goes straight. My approach shots with wedges suck too - too handsy. Putter saves me at least. It's a tough game but oh so rewarding.
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And ya, I saw that video too. The kid's unreal!
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the actual length is 44.75 but I choke down on clubs quite a bit so effective length should be about 43.25-43.5 which is also where my persimmon driver actual length is. I realize that might be a bit unusual thing to do but I'm in a good company, for example Anthony Kim driver is at 44.5 but he chokes down 'about two full inches' in his own words so thats pretty much that Epon Zero typo spec right there.

What length is your driver?


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