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[DoNDoN]

As always a great review gocchin.

TMfreak, on Feb 9 2010, 03:55 PM, said:

I would dispute that. I have hit my pro's conforming wedges a number of times on the range and shorter pitch shots and there was a marked difference.

Being able to hit both conforming and non conforming grooves in a launch monitor and outdoors there is not a difference at all on clean shots. The biggest difference is when the ball is wet and/or coming out of the rough. This is where the spin decreased about 50%.

[EPONfreak]

DoNDoN, on Feb 11 2010, 11:56 AM, said:

As always a great review gocchin.




Being able to hit both conforming and non conforming grooves in a launch monitor and outdoors there is not a difference at all on clean shots. The biggest difference is when the ball is wet and/or coming out of the rough. This is where the spin decreased about 50%.

no difference at all?....we must strike the ball differently and play in different conditions. There was a substantial difference for me.

[DoNDoN]

TMfreak, on Feb 11 2010, 02:45 PM, said:

no difference at all?....we must strike the ball differently and play in different conditions. There was a substantial difference for me.

I was able to do extensive testing with pros and myself and neither of us found a substantial difference with cleanly struck shots off of the fairway. This was confirmed with launch monitor testing too. Were you able to use the same wedge design using different grooves? Head designs do make a difference in spin as well.

The biggest difference in spin is going to be out of the rough and shots that are not cleanly struck.

[TourSpecGolfer]

DoNDoN, on Feb 11 2010, 04:35 PM, said:

I was able to do extensive testing with pros and myself and neither of us found a substantial difference with cleanly struck shots off of the fairway. This was confirmed with launch monitor testing too. Were you able to use the same wedge design using different grooves? Head designs do make a difference in spin as well.

The biggest difference in spin is going to be out of the rough and shots that are not cleanly struck.

I have not compared the two myself yet but just check out the Nike Video, top PGA players are saying that its about half the RPM's than the previous grooves.

Also to put things in perspective a wedge with ZERO grooves produces a similar amount of spin in perfect conditions to one with grooves for the average player. But with a single spray of water the spin is almost all gone. When I say perfect conditions I mean Zero water or condensation.

DonDon I can only guess your LM testing was done indoors? If so that explains your spin rates, try the same test on the grass where there is natual humidity in it.

Another thing to note is that top players usually hit down very hard on the ball and produce lots of spin vs the average player or even club pro for that matter.

[DoNDoN]

TourSpecGolfer, on Feb 12 2010, 03:40 AM, said:

I have not compared the two myself yet but just check out the Nike Video, top PGA players are saying that its about half the RPM's than the previous grooves.

Also to put things in perspective a wedge with ZERO grooves produces a similar amount of spin in perfect conditions to one with grooves for the average player. But with a single spray of water the spin is almost all gone. When I say perfect conditions I mean Zero water or condensation.

DonDon I can only guess your LM testing was done indoors? If so that explains your spin rates, try the same test on the grass where there is natual humidity in it.

Another thing to note is that top players usually hit down very hard on the ball and produce lots of spin vs the average player or even club pro for that matter.

I was able to do LM testing indoors and outdoors from the fairway and out of the rough. We even sprayed balls in both conditions and we noticed a 50% drop in RPMs when the ball was not perfectly clean.

[TourSpecGolfer]

Vineman23, on Feb 11 2010, 12:10 AM, said:

Thanks, sounds like a good option. Do you have an approximate cost for the work? I know it all depends oin finishes and work done but an approximate would help? :tsg_smiley_crazy:

Ok gents got a approx price, its about 135 - 150 and he can make just about any groove even shredders.

The finish doesn't have to be removed he can just CNC the exact location of the original groove.

Keep in mind your grooves will rust if you dont clean them after the process.

The other option is to remove the plating, CNC the new grooves onto the face then replate which would add some money to the job.

[TheHawkmc]

Chris, Any topline views of the 58* & 52* wedges. I'm ready to order based on the 'golf to impress' review, but would like to see pics of the actual lofts I play. Thanks,