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You know, many times I have had customer go buy elsewhere because they said our prices were too high and then come crying back to me when they found out the set of irons they bought for 1/3rd the price on our site snapped at the neck because they were fakes.
Today I had a customer email me and rag on me for our outrageous pricing. He said we had the nerve to create such crazy prices and even charge shipping.
I told him I'd be glad to price some clubs out for him if he told me what he was interested in and he gave me this link for a price match:
http://www.100yeartr...QJMTAyMjE=.html
This site claims R9 TP Forged irons from Japan.
No TP badge, those R9 aren't forged but they say they are, the SW has a 56* and S in the sole... and the company is in China... HMMMMMMMM
oh yeah the price is 265.00 with free shipping.
I guess I cannot blame customers who are not familiar with the JDM market and its pricing but there are so many things on that site that just give it away... I wish people would be more careful as I hate to see them throw their money away for a piece of crap fake club.
Sorry I just had to rant to people who I know would understand...
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#1
Posted 05 February 2010 - 07:03 AM
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Japanese Golf Gear Guru
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- Brand of Choice:Crazy, Yururi, Yamaha, PRGR, ONOFF, Royal Collection, Epon
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Clubs I can actually play, not think I can play. Put the ego aside to focus on improving my score.
If you have questions about J-Spec equipment or need recommendations or fittings, please send me an email at gocchin@tourspecgolf.com (email is best)
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#2
Posted 05 February 2010 - 07:33 AM
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Quote: Doggone my hide
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- Brand of Choice:Epon
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Epon, TourStage
Hurray and a big "Attaboy" T for your Rant!!
I've seen first hand some of what you are talking about and it breaks my heart to have to tell the customer that the Gear he brought in is Fake. Counterfeit R9's are everywhere now and at prices that should SCREAM out to the Buyer..."I'm a Fake".
Also, in the area of Golf Shafts (both Steel and Graphite), I've seen more and more FAKES becoming available, so I would like to add them to your Rant as well.
I've seen first hand some of what you are talking about and it breaks my heart to have to tell the customer that the Gear he brought in is Fake. Counterfeit R9's are everywhere now and at prices that should SCREAM out to the Buyer..."I'm a Fake".
Also, in the area of Golf Shafts (both Steel and Graphite), I've seen more and more FAKES becoming available, so I would like to add them to your Rant as well.
DRIVER: Epon AF102 8.5* - Quadra Proto 75x
3-WOOD: Bridgestone J33 15* - GD Tour AD Quattro MD7x
HYBRID: Adams TourProto PNT 16* - Ozik Altus Hybrid 85s
IRONS: Zestaim Fi-1 Dual Forged - KBS Tour X-Stiff
WEDGES: Seven Hills Proto 50*/ 56* - KBS Tour X-Stiff
PUTTER: Rife Barbados (White) - KBS (Black) Pured Shaft
The Shaft in each Club has been "Pured/FLO'ed" for peak performance.
KBS Tour Shaft Specialist - When you want to play your very best!!
3-WOOD: Bridgestone J33 15* - GD Tour AD Quattro MD7x
HYBRID: Adams TourProto PNT 16* - Ozik Altus Hybrid 85s
IRONS: Zestaim Fi-1 Dual Forged - KBS Tour X-Stiff
WEDGES: Seven Hills Proto 50*/ 56* - KBS Tour X-Stiff
PUTTER: Rife Barbados (White) - KBS (Black) Pured Shaft
The Shaft in each Club has been "Pured/FLO'ed" for peak performance.
KBS Tour Shaft Specialist - When you want to play your very best!!
#3
Posted 05 February 2010 - 07:45 AM
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- Location:Dongguan, China
- Interests:Rock Climbing, Ice Climbing, Cycling, Golf, and Photography
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Quote: Eliminate the superfluous.
- Occupation:Director of Product Development, Incase Designs
- Handicap:5.1
- Brand of Choice:Mizuno
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What's in the Bag?:
Driver: '07 TM Burner TP, Axiv 7080X
3W & 5W: Yamaha V-Fw Graphite Design SF-8X
Irons: Mizuno MP-29s, KBS Tour X-Stiff
Wedges: Sky Dream Jump DP-2010 54(52.5) & 58
Putter: Yes! Golf 2011 Prototype Flanged Blade
Grips: Iomic M62 Sticky
Ball: Penta TP
Haha. I live in China and EVERYTHING is fake here from fake Johnny Walker Black Label, fake brand name shoes, watches, etc. and even milk and pharmaceuticals. It is truly amazing.
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Posted 05 February 2010 - 08:14 AM
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Quote: Swing Easy and Swing Freely (personal swing thought)
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- Brand of Choice:Miura/ Matsumoto/Epon
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What's in the Bag?:
Bag #1
Ryoma Premia with Fire Express 55 R
Yamaha ImpresX 4 wood
Titleist 910F 19*
Titleist 910H 21*
OnOff Red/Roddio I-6 5-PW
Sky Dream Jump 51* with Roddio I-8 SR
Titleist forged 54*
Seven Hill 58*
Yururi Nantetsu Putter
T,
Remember the Crazy Black 80 I was telling you about? If you like, I can get it for you for $100 (I have to mark it up 100% for my trouble) direct from China but said made in Japan right on the shaft. People should know there is no free lunch. Since I am spending part time in Asia, I do come across many fake stuff and have actually play quite a few of theme for the fun of it. For those who know the JDM market and pricing structure, to be fair, TSG's prices is somewhere in between for North America and Europe customers but you are getting secure shipping and free 'consulting' service :tsg_smilie_laugh: otherwise you would not be able to get in Japan and such hard to get items as Golds or Kamui.
Remember the Crazy Black 80 I was telling you about? If you like, I can get it for you for $100 (I have to mark it up 100% for my trouble) direct from China but said made in Japan right on the shaft. People should know there is no free lunch. Since I am spending part time in Asia, I do come across many fake stuff and have actually play quite a few of theme for the fun of it. For those who know the JDM market and pricing structure, to be fair, TSG's prices is somewhere in between for North America and Europe customers but you are getting secure shipping and free 'consulting' service :tsg_smilie_laugh: otherwise you would not be able to get in Japan and such hard to get items as Golds or Kamui.
Edited by Duffer19, 05 February 2010 - 08:20 AM.
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Posted 05 February 2010 - 08:58 AM
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Quote: There are 10 types of people, those who understand binary and those that don't
- Brand of Choice:JDM all the way......
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What's in the Bag?:
Tourstage x drive Driver dj6
Royal collection vs tour 15 Fubuki
Epon 302 4-PW, Nippon Peening Red Nowon grips
royal Collection db protos 52 58 wedges
Bettinardi Zero (amongst many others LOL)
TSG..... reassuringly expensive :tsg_smiley_heart:
why shop anywhere else?
why shop anywhere else?
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#6
Posted 05 February 2010 - 10:39 AM
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Just tell the guy to go buy at that site if they think they've found a better price.
Even the fake stuff in China is fake.
Even the fake stuff in China is fake.
________primary bag_____________________secondary bag______________not being used__________________________________
Driver:__10.5 Speedline Classic - Altus Proto
Utility:___#4 X-Blade UT____________________#3 Sonartech HB001
Irons:___Yamaha Inpres, Miura CB2006________Adam MB, Titty 695cb______Cobra Forged SS
Wedge:__Miura 52 - KBS black_______________Scratch 60 Egg
Wedge:__Miura 58d_______________________60 Vokey SM
Putter:___Kia Ma Monaco___________________George Spirits GT-01______TM Spider, Gauge JSpec Tour Mallet, Gauge ETBW
Driver:__10.5 Speedline Classic - Altus Proto
Utility:___#4 X-Blade UT____________________#3 Sonartech HB001
Irons:___Yamaha Inpres, Miura CB2006________Adam MB, Titty 695cb______Cobra Forged SS
Wedge:__Miura 52 - KBS black_______________Scratch 60 Egg
Wedge:__Miura 58d_______________________60 Vokey SM
Putter:___Kia Ma Monaco___________________George Spirits GT-01______TM Spider, Gauge JSpec Tour Mallet, Gauge ETBW
#7
Posted 05 February 2010 - 10:46 AM
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If you're a big enough idiot to fall for s**t like that, it's your own fault. Do some research before you buy!
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Posted 05 February 2010 - 11:18 AM
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Which One??
I am with you on this one T.
The person that sent you his prices to beat is the one who should be beat.
I do however feel sorry for him as he cannot tell fantasy from reality.
The person that sent you his prices to beat is the one who should be beat.
I do however feel sorry for him as he cannot tell fantasy from reality.
Currently Playing:
Ryoma 9.5* D1 V-Spec w/Crazy Royal Decoration (SR)
PRGR Egg Spoon 15* w/Crazy FW80 (S)
Akira M221 FW 21* w/GD Tour AD DI-8 (S)
Akira IX24 Ute 24* w/GD UT95 (S)
PRGR TR500 5-PW w/PRGR Spec Steel100
Gold's Factory Stage 4 - 51* w/KBS blk nkl (S)
Sky Dream Jump Proto - 54* w/KBS blk nkl (S)
Gold's Factory Stage 4 - 58* w/KBS blk nkl (S)
Gold's Factory Custom Hand Made #2
Ryoma 9.5* D1 V-Spec w/Crazy Royal Decoration (SR)
PRGR Egg Spoon 15* w/Crazy FW80 (S)
Akira M221 FW 21* w/GD Tour AD DI-8 (S)
Akira IX24 Ute 24* w/GD UT95 (S)
PRGR TR500 5-PW w/PRGR Spec Steel100
Gold's Factory Stage 4 - 51* w/KBS blk nkl (S)
Sky Dream Jump Proto - 54* w/KBS blk nkl (S)
Gold's Factory Stage 4 - 58* w/KBS blk nkl (S)
Gold's Factory Custom Hand Made #2
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Posted 05 February 2010 - 01:03 PM
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That guy is pretty sad.
People like that should be ignored.
People like that should be ignored.
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Posted 06 February 2010 - 02:46 AM
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ive know how you feel. been a victim myself of some jdm heads that were supposed to be smuggled out of Tm china factory. everything is available even spider putters etc etc. they even have fake prov1s.
i was gaming a supposedly jdm driver 4 years ago for months not realizing it was fake. i was hitting it so long. only to realize that the color scheme was all wrong and voila. i bet things have gotten even more high tech since. scary!
i was gaming a supposedly jdm driver 4 years ago for months not realizing it was fake. i was hitting it so long. only to realize that the color scheme was all wrong and voila. i bet things have gotten even more high tech since. scary!
Driver: Epon 380 Diamana Stinger 7x
3w Yonex Ezone 15* Gd DI-7s
18* Srixon Z-ut Gd Di-105s
21* Epon 901 Shimada Tour Lite-s
#4-pw Epon 302-C Nspro M3s
53/59* TS Maru x wedge Nsproto 2s14x
Putter: Bettinardi SS6
Email: Jspecgolf@gmail.com
3w Yonex Ezone 15* Gd DI-7s
18* Srixon Z-ut Gd Di-105s
21* Epon 901 Shimada Tour Lite-s
#4-pw Epon 302-C Nspro M3s
53/59* TS Maru x wedge Nsproto 2s14x
Putter: Bettinardi SS6
Email: Jspecgolf@gmail.com
#11
Posted 06 February 2010 - 05:52 AM
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Lots of people these days want their cake and eat it too,have bought many items from TSG and don't believe the prices were outrageous but fair.Golf gear is expensive in Japan,just like gas is expensive in Britain.
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Posted 08 February 2010 - 06:13 PM
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Man, took me a while to decide even to read this post! Didn't know folks actually were making fake JDM stuff. The way I see it now, as far as forged anything goes, stick with what you know. If you don't know, ask. Also, dealing with a certified custom club fitter wouldn't hurt either. That's truly the way I found out about Tour Spec...well, he told me about golf wrx and found out about gocchin and you guys through them. :p
That's one reason, why I'm skeptical about getting any OEM stuff anymore. I mean, as far as I can tell, Taylor Made has the only true forged (made in, not assembled...) stuff in JP next to Mizuno...right? Heck, I'd play with Callaway's proto's if they were forged in JP (and if I could afford 'em. :p). Ever since I've been on the KZG bandwagon, I've been looking to see who else has forged blades in JP, especifically from th Keyoi plant.
Another thing people should understand about the JP market, is that the prices gocchin has on Tour Spec, are very competitive to what the have in other store in JP. I'll admit, I've tried other sources to buy real JP spec stuff outside of this store and gocchin's prices are on point. Even if you'd try to use those auction sites that let you bid on Yahoo JP or even Rakuten, you're going to be in the same price range...period. Yeah, you may find a deal or luck up here and there, but it's far and few in between. (Trust me, I've looked and continue to look..)
That's one reason, why I'm skeptical about getting any OEM stuff anymore. I mean, as far as I can tell, Taylor Made has the only true forged (made in, not assembled...) stuff in JP next to Mizuno...right? Heck, I'd play with Callaway's proto's if they were forged in JP (and if I could afford 'em. :p). Ever since I've been on the KZG bandwagon, I've been looking to see who else has forged blades in JP, especifically from th Keyoi plant.
Another thing people should understand about the JP market, is that the prices gocchin has on Tour Spec, are very competitive to what the have in other store in JP. I'll admit, I've tried other sources to buy real JP spec stuff outside of this store and gocchin's prices are on point. Even if you'd try to use those auction sites that let you bid on Yahoo JP or even Rakuten, you're going to be in the same price range...period. Yeah, you may find a deal or luck up here and there, but it's far and few in between. (Trust me, I've looked and continue to look..)
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