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What do you all think of the USGA's Groove rule that has been changed and supposed to be in effect by next year? I know a lot of pros, including Ian Poulter who just recently used Twitter to speak out about it, aren't happy. How much do you think this will affect manufacturers? How much will it cost, and most importantly, WHY are they doing it now? Seems to me things have been fine up until this point, why rock the boat and start making these changes now?
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I thinks that it's a terrible rule because although we'll still be allowed to use the old grooves for a while, we'll have to use old equipment to do it.
Since grooves wear out, it's just as if the rules were imposed on us as well.

If I were a manufacturer, I would now blatantly offer the option of wedges that don't even conform to the current, soon to be old, rules--real cover shredders. The timing is right and the market is there.

Golf is about recreational players. Skilled competitors are the anomaly. But the USGA thinks only about them when making rules like this. A competing sanctioning body isn't a bad idea.
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I couldn't agree more actually...it's ridiculous that the rules set for the top 2% of golfers apply to, and affect the rest of the 98% that are recreational players. It's insane that we're going to be essentially punished for rules set up for the top tier of golf. I agree that there might need to be a new sanctioning body, one for the pro's and one for the rest of us.
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What do you all think of the USGA's Groove rule that has been changed and supposed to be in effect by next year? I know a lot of pros, including Ian Poulter who just recently used Twitter to speak out about it, aren't happy. How much do you think this will affect manufacturers? How much will it cost, and most importantly, WHY are they doing it now? Seems to me things have been fine up until this point, why rock the boat and start making these changes now?


The pro's don't want it because they are a bunch of babies.
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The pro's don't want it because they are a bunch of babies.



I dont see it that way, its a major inconvience to them to learn their wedge distances among other things again. I have heard that they provide very little spin and as normal golfers we never get to play greens as slick as they do so it must be insanely frustrating.
 

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I think that pro's do over do it a bit. I know they play fast greens, but they also get brand new wedges with awesomely milled grooves, as often as they want. They can still get plenty of spin to master almost any shot needed. So if it's fair and everyone has to conform, let's not wine about how hard it is to make millions playing golf. lol
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Looks like it's official, the groove change rule is in effect, although it won't trickle down to us amateurs and casual golfers until 2024. That's plenty of time to not worry about it. By 2024, I will probably be so bad at golf I won't notice. :)
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Finally, the Groove rule is settled so all the teeth gnashing and "under the breath" mumbling can cease. What will Twitter ever do without this topic to kick around?

There will be a lot of "drops" made from under the TV Towers this next year on all the US Pro Tours that Finchem's budget will be stretched a bit hiring a whole bunch more Rules guys just to keep up.
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I think that pro's do over do it a bit. I know they play fast greens, but they also get brand new wedges with awesomely milled grooves, as often as they want. They can still get plenty of spin to master almost any shot needed. So if it's fair and everyone has to conform, let's not wine about how hard it is to make millions playing golf. lol



Not many pro's use brand new wedges. If you take notice they are are usually worn in and faded.
 

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Good point...I think the only thing we'll be missing, or that will change, is that we'll see a bit less of those huge dramatic shots that hit the green and then spin wildly backwards at 60 miles per hour. We might even get to see golfers being a lot more careful with their shots and shaping them better to avoid problem areas.
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Please clear up my confusion, does this new rule apply to only wedges or all clubs?

I really don't think it'll matter that much over time. Everyone will adapt. It'll definitely bring more thought back to the game which is a good thing. Keeps it fresh and challenging.
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Please clear up my confusion, does this new rule apply to only wedges or all clubs?

I really don't think it'll matter that much over time. Everyone will adapt. It'll definitely bring more thought back to the game which is a good thing. Keeps it fresh and challenging.



Anything with more loft than 25* not to worry I think your 901's have V-Grooves already.
 

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I think that the tour pros and high level tourmament amateurs have been allowed to become too relevant in the discussion about equipment rules.

They should be playing the elite version of our game.

We should not be playing the recreational version of their game.

This isn't baseball or hockey. The recreational game on the whole is more important than the sports entertainment version.

The USGA and R&A should back equipment that makes recreational golf as enjoyable as possible, and if the pros shoot lights out with that gear, so what? I don't really think that it would make that much difference to them, so we're the ones who should be accommodated.

I honestly wish that the USGA would be challenged by a competing sanctioning body which prioritizes recreational golf while nonetheless crowning its own champions. The USGA has really screwed up with this grooves thing in my opinion. If anything, the rule should be sunstantially more lenient.

Edited by NiftyNiblick, 07 July 2009 - 09:04 AM.

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You are right that the top tier is determining the rest of us, when we are clearly the dominant numbers. Why aren't the rules customized for us first, then tweaked to accomodate their skills? I don't think they should be able to shoot -40 under par on a tournament every time with easier equipment on easier courses, but I do think for us recreational golfers, the emphasis should be kept to make golf FUN, not even more challenging. It's already losing numbers as it is, what will this do?
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