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Nippon NSPro heavy putter shafts, for my new GF putter? |
Jul 5 2008, 09:46 AM
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TSG Jr Member Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 13-November 04 From: Chicago Member No.: 4,005 Brand of Choice: Epon What's in the Bag?: Epon 460 9.5 w/ Japan Diamana Whiteboard Stiff Epon AF-201 3-Wood w/ Mach Line FW75 Stiff TaylorMade V-Steel 7-Wood Tourhead w/Fuji ZCOM Pro 80 Mizuno JPX E500 4-PW w/ Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Epon AF 56, 60 w/ Nippon NS Pro 1150 Stiff Softstepped 1X Custom Gold's Factory PS#2 w/ Premium Zone Insert |
Hey guys,
I'd like to get a new shaft for my Gold's Factory putter. I got the standard shaft when I received the putter. While I'm happy with the putter, after 10 rounds, I'm still NOT used to it and my putting has suffered severely. I'm hoping that add a little weight to the shaft will help. Anyone know how heavy my current shaft is? Which Nippon shaft should I get? Thanks, Droopy |
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Jul 6 2008, 07:59 AM
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T the Japan Golf Gear and Cute Idol Expert ![]() Group: +Administrators Posts: 2,643 Joined: 29-August 06 From: JAPAN! Member No.: 8,383 Quote: Inpakuto Otaku Occupation: Golf Geek - Tech Guru Brand of Choice: Epon, Royal Collection, PRGR, Yamaha, Graphite Design, Gold's, Tourstage, Mizuno What's in the Bag?: Lots of stuff |
The standard shaft in your putter should be around 120g if I'm not mistaken.
What kind of putting issues are you having exactly? Do you find you're pulling the ball a bit or having trouble keeping it on line? One of the things with the Gold's putters is that the heavy head can actually throw some players off. The head in mine is 365g and can feel very heavy which can actually affect the putting stroke. A heavier shaft would balance that out. For example my Gold's has the FF shaft in it which is like 107g, paired with the 365g head is like swinging a sledgehammer (^_^). So I had a Balance Certified 30g weight but in the butt which really evened out the weight and allowed me to putt more smoothly. The heavier NS Pro shafts would accomplish a similar result. |
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Jul 7 2008, 10:10 AM
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TSG Caddie Group: Members Posts: 60 Joined: 23-November 03 From: Chicago Member No.: 650 Handicap: 4 Brand of Choice: TourStage, Bridgestone |
So I had a Balance Certified 30g weight but in the butt which really evened out the weight and allowed me to putt more smoothly. The heavier NS Pro shafts would accomplish a similar result. This will sound like blasphemy.....but I picked up a Ping Karsten center shafted mini-mallet that is face-balanced and works well with my back-and-through stroke. The only problem I had with it was it swing weighted to E1 which is MUCH heavier that I was used to. I put a 30g counter-balance weight in the butt and got it down to D3 and the difference was dramatic. It took the hands out of the stroke and putts hold the line better, plus they're going where I'm aiming. Distance control is also very consistent. I would never have thought counter-balancing would be as effective as it is. I have seen some guys using 50-70g but they say that also deadens the feel somewhat. The 30g weight did not take away from the feel but greatly added to the control. Definately worth a try, and easier than replacing the shaft. |
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Jul 7 2008, 01:00 PM
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TSG Jr Member Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 13-November 04 From: Chicago Member No.: 4,005 Brand of Choice: Epon What's in the Bag?: Epon 460 9.5 w/ Japan Diamana Whiteboard Stiff Epon AF-201 3-Wood w/ Mach Line FW75 Stiff TaylorMade V-Steel 7-Wood Tourhead w/Fuji ZCOM Pro 80 Mizuno JPX E500 4-PW w/ Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Epon AF 56, 60 w/ Nippon NS Pro 1150 Stiff Softstepped 1X Custom Gold's Factory PS#2 w/ Premium Zone Insert |
The main issue is that the sweet spot of the putter doesn't seem to be directly in the center of the insert. It's a little bit toward the heel. My putter head is 352 so it weighs exactly the same as my old Tour Scotty. On the Tour Scotty, the sweet spot was a little towards the toe. Maybe that's why my putting has suffered... I'm just having trouble adjusting.
That's why I wanted to change it up with a heavier putter shaft. I'm not sure that'll do much...just looking to try anything... Droopy The standard shaft in your putter should be around 120g if I'm not mistaken. What kind of putting issues are you having exactly? Do you find you're pulling the ball a bit or having trouble keeping it on line? One of the things with the Gold's putters is that the heavy head can actually throw some players off. The head in mine is 365g and can feel very heavy which can actually affect the putting stroke. A heavier shaft would balance that out. For example my Gold's has the FF shaft in it which is like 107g, paired with the 365g head is like swinging a sledgehammer (^_^). So I had a Balance Certified 30g weight but in the butt which really evened out the weight and allowed me to putt more smoothly. The heavier NS Pro shafts would accomplish a similar result. |
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Jul 7 2008, 01:24 PM
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T the Japan Golf Gear and Cute Idol Expert ![]() Group: +Administrators Posts: 2,643 Joined: 29-August 06 From: JAPAN! Member No.: 8,383 Quote: Inpakuto Otaku Occupation: Golf Geek - Tech Guru Brand of Choice: Epon, Royal Collection, PRGR, Yamaha, Graphite Design, Gold's, Tourstage, Mizuno What's in the Bag?: Lots of stuff |
The main issue is that the sweet spot of the putter doesn't seem to be directly in the center of the insert. It's a little bit toward the heel. My putter head is 352 so it weighs exactly the same as my old Tour Scotty. On the Tour Scotty, the sweet spot was a little towards the toe. Maybe that's why my putting has suffered... I'm just having trouble adjusting. That's why I wanted to change it up with a heavier putter shaft. I'm not sure that'll do much...just looking to try anything... Droopy I've never tried the Gold's insert only PZ milling but its interesting to know that the sweet spot is towards the heel because that is exactly where it was as well on the old G-Field Premium Zones. Hmmmm I need to think about how you can adjust to this.... |
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Jul 8 2008, 07:35 AM
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TSG Rookie Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 29-December 07 From: Singapore Member No.: 11,952 Occupation: Consulting Director Handicap: 22 Brand of Choice: Miura, Gold's Factory, Epon What's in the Bag?: Epon EMB 12* with stock shaft (R) Taylormade Burner 3-wood Nike Sumo2 hybrid 20* Nike Sumo2 htbrid 23* Miura Passing Point PP9001 5-AW Sakamoto 52* Miura 56* Cleveland 588 DSG 60* Gold's Private Stock No.1 |
Have you tried a club fitter using the Tomi putting system? I am not in any way affliated with Tomi (although I am considering buying their consumer version). My club fitter and I have worked with the Pro version of the system the last couple of weeks on 3 putters including my latest GF.
For me at least, if the lie angle is too upright, I somehow compensate on my forward stroke and hit it towards the heel of the putter. If the lie angle is too flat, I tend to hit it on the toe. Here is my experience with my GF I got last Saturday: The putter was too head heavy so I had it first adjsusted for balance by adding weight to the butt. Then I went to test the putter on the Tomi Pro system. As it came, I was hitting it a bit on the toe. It was about 3-4mm towards the toe and I was doing this 3 out of 5 tries (the Tomi measures 5 putts). My club fitter adjusted the lie angle one degree upright. On the Tomi, I started hitting it on the heel 3-4mm 3 out of 5 times. The next adjustment was half a degree flatter. Lo and behold, the Tomi system measured (and displayed this on a PC screen) that I hit the sweet spot once. 2 out of 5 were on the heel about 1-2mm off from center). 2 out of 5 were on the toe (again 1-2mm towards the toe). So I ended up with the putter half a degree upright from stock. I have no idea if this works for everyone but for me it seems to give me the confidence I need. My golf Buddy went 2 weeks ago and adjusted his putter for the lie angle (one degree upright). That was all my club fitter did for him and he did not do any practice putts. We went down to play 2 days ago and he was draining his 8 foot putts. This is a guy who is dependable to miss everything right from anywhere more than 4 feet. I did screw my club fitter for adjusting my buddy's putter too well. My 2 cents worth... Regards foosp |
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Jul 17 2008, 01:41 AM
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TSG Rookie Group: Members Posts: 16 Joined: 14-April 08 From: Indonesia Member No.: 12,329 Quote: Work Hard, Play Hard Occupation: Industrial Slave Handicap: 18 Brand of Choice: Epon, Miura, Taylor Made, Fourteen What's in the Bag?: Taylormade Burner Driver 10.5(R) with stock J-spec Shaft Maruman shuttle U4 Cleveland Hybrid 25* J-spec graphite design shaft Taylor Made Firesole Wood 5(R) Epon Forged AF-701 5-PW with NS Pro FX 5000 Scotty Cameron Putter - Del Mar Two Mid Slant Epon 58* Project X Fourteen 52* |
Have you tried a club fitter using the Tomi putting system? I am not in any way affliated with Tomi (although I am considering buying their consumer version). My club fitter and I have worked with the Pro version of the system the last couple of weeks on 3 putters including my latest GF. For me at least, if the lie angle is too upright, I somehow compensate on my forward stroke and hit it towards the heel of the putter. If the lie angle is too flat, I tend to hit it on the toe. Here is my experience with my GF I got last Saturday: The putter was too head heavy so I had it first adjsusted for balance by adding weight to the butt. Then I went to test the putter on the Tomi Pro system. As it came, I was hitting it a bit on the toe. It was about 3-4mm towards the toe and I was doing this 3 out of 5 tries (the Tomi measures 5 putts). My club fitter adjusted the lie angle one degree upright. On the Tomi, I started hitting it on the heel 3-4mm 3 out of 5 times. The next adjustment was half a degree flatter. Lo and behold, the Tomi system measured (and displayed this on a PC screen) that I hit the sweet spot once. 2 out of 5 were on the heel about 1-2mm off from center). 2 out of 5 were on the toe (again 1-2mm towards the toe). So I ended up with the putter half a degree upright from stock. I have no idea if this works for everyone but for me it seems to give me the confidence I need. My golf Buddy went 2 weeks ago and adjusted his putter for the lie angle (one degree upright). That was all my club fitter did for him and he did not do any practice putts. We went down to play 2 days ago and he was draining his 8 foot putts. This is a guy who is dependable to miss everything right from anywhere more than 4 feet. I did screw my club fitter for adjusting my buddy's putter too well. My 2 cents worth... Regards foosp Hi! Mind telling me where to get this done? Are you in Singapore? I am meaning to bring my new bettinardi to make some adjustments. Thanks |
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Jul 17 2008, 06:57 AM
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TSG Pro Group: Members Posts: 627 Joined: 5-January 07 From: Henderson Nv/St George Ut Member No.: 9,287 Quote: Flat left - Bent right Occupation: Golf nut Handicap: 3 Brand of Choice: Epon - Gold's Factory - Tourstage - Adidas What's in the Bag?: Which One?? |
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Jul 24 2008, 09:06 AM
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TSG Rookie Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 29-December 07 From: Singapore Member No.: 11,952 Occupation: Consulting Director Handicap: 22 Brand of Choice: Miura, Gold's Factory, Epon What's in the Bag?: Epon EMB 12* with stock shaft (R) Taylormade Burner 3-wood Nike Sumo2 hybrid 20* Nike Sumo2 htbrid 23* Miura Passing Point PP9001 5-AW Sakamoto 52* Miura 56* Cleveland 588 DSG 60* Gold's Private Stock No.1 |
Hi! Mind telling me where to get this done? Are you in Singapore? I am meaning to bring my new bettinardi to make some adjustments. Thanks Hi gbs Yes I am in Singapore. I have it done at Jimmy Aw's shop at Tanjong Pagar in Singapore. The name of the shop is Golf Master Works. If you need the telephone and address, let me know and I will pm that to you. Jimmy is an excellent clubfitter but if you expect friendly service, forget it. He is straight & to the point and does not waste much on small talk. The putter fitting was excellent if not for anything but to let you know what you are doing with the putter. Regards Foo |
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Jul 24 2008, 09:28 AM
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Ultra High End Golf Equipment Specialist ![]() Group: +Administrators Posts: 6,845 Joined: 10-October 03 From: Japan, Hawaii, Italy Member No.: 18 Occupation: TSG Specialist Brand of Choice: Epon What's in the Bag?: Check Out My Sig! |
Impact tape is a good idea and tinker with the weighting, sometimes heavier isn't better.
How long is the putter? What are your misses? What do you really think is going on? Main thing is to play with a putter that helps your game, we can also get Master Sasaya's input on this matter for you. |
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Jul 29 2008, 09:25 AM
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TSG Jr Member Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 13-November 04 From: Chicago Member No.: 4,005 Brand of Choice: Epon What's in the Bag?: Epon 460 9.5 w/ Japan Diamana Whiteboard Stiff Epon AF-201 3-Wood w/ Mach Line FW75 Stiff TaylorMade V-Steel 7-Wood Tourhead w/Fuji ZCOM Pro 80 Mizuno JPX E500 4-PW w/ Nippon NS Pro 950 Stiff Epon AF 56, 60 w/ Nippon NS Pro 1150 Stiff Softstepped 1X Custom Gold's Factory PS#2 w/ Premium Zone Insert |
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Jul 29 2008, 09:30 AM
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TSG Jr Member Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 13-November 04 From: Chicago Member No.: 4,005 Brand of Choice: Epon What's in the Bag?: Epon 460 9.5 w/ Japan Diamana Whiteboard Stiff Epon AF-201 3-Wood w/ Mach Line FW75 Stiff |