Navigation

Adverts

 

> 

 
Reply to this topicStart new topic
> Japanese Drivers: If I was going to pick just one...., ...which should it be?
putt4doh
post Dec 17 2006, 05:38 AM
Post #1


TSG Caddie
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 57
Joined: 25-April 06
From: DC Metro Area
Member No.: 7,880



I'm constantly on a search for the perfect driver. My criteria is simple: it has to look good, feel good and perform. I didnt' think it'd be that tough, but it's proven harder than I thought. Some stuff will look good, but feel like poo....likewise other stuff will feel and look great, but not go anywhere. In short, I've pretty much had it with US OEM's and I've pretty much tried everything that even smelled like it might work....

Up to this point, the most appealing combo of appearance, feel, and performance for me has been the Bridgestone 460. I love the feel and performance, and lack of alignment aide is dead sexy :tsg_smilie_smile: . But I'm slowly falling under the spell of several Japan-issue drivers. With this in mind, can all the TSG experts help me out? If I had to pick just one (who am I kidding, right?) which should it be? (IMG:http://www.tourspecgolf.com/forum/style_emoticons/TSG_Smileys/atsg_logo_anim.gif)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
siteseer2
post Dec 17 2006, 05:45 AM
Post #2


TSG Member
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 125
Joined: 30-October 03
Member No.: 401



Since you have the B'stone 460 as a gamer, then based on that inference of your likes and dislikes, the best switch would be to the Epon 460. Time will tell on the new TS X-Drive, but in the past those have been less foregiving than say the Epon.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
putt4doh
post Dec 17 2006, 06:07 AM
Post #3


TSG Caddie
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 57
Joined: 25-April 06
From: DC Metro Area
Member No.: 7,880



QUOTE (siteseer2 @ Dec 17 2006, 09:45 AM) *
Since you have the B'stone 460 as a gamer, then based on that inference of your likes and dislikes, the best switch would be to the Epon 460. Time will tell on the new TS X-Drive, but in the past those have been less foregiving than say the Epon.



The reviews of the Epon that I've read here are outstanding! I would definitely put it in the running, but I'd also hate to buy and be dissappointed...can anyone comment on the feel of the Epon compared to any US OEM's--particluarly B'stone?
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
ClubHoUno
post Dec 17 2006, 06:54 AM
Post #4


TSG Active Member
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 341
Joined: 26-March 06
From: Denmark - Europe
Member No.: 7,791

Quote: Always looking for the perfect JAPAN FORGED club......
Occupation: Private investor & day dreamer ;-)
Handicap: LOW!
Brand of Choice: Scratch, Miura, Bettinardi, Epon, Srixon, Cally, TM & Titty



QUOTE (putt4doh @ Dec 17 2006, 03:07 PM) *
The reviews of the Epon that I've read here are outstanding! I would definitely put it in the running, but I'd also hate to buy and be dissappointed...can anyone comment on the feel of the Epon compared to any US OEM's--particluarly B'stone?


I have the same "problem" as you do. I'm also picking my driver for the 2007 summer season and the contenders are Epon 460 and Tourstage X-drive 460.

The resale value of the Tourstage driver will be FAR better than that of the Epon 460 here in Europe.
Perhaps 1000 guys in all of Europe, out of a population of 400 million, know about the Epon brand - and this means resale value is very low. The Tourstage brand is pretty popular among avid golfers in Europe, although it's to hard to get - so resale value of Tourstage is good, but still not great.

I have 2 full bags of US equipment - one with Taylor Made driver & woods, Mizuno irons and wedges and Bettinarid Tour DASS putter and the other one with Titleist driver and woods, Ping irons and Vokey wedges and Scotty Cameron putter. But I'm looking for a third bag with some more fancy and limited stuff - a bag full of brands that the weekend golfer will know nothing about. He will not know if the total bag is worth $250 or $4.000 - I like this :tsg_smiley_laughatyou: :tsg_smilie_smile:

I'll for sure get the new Taylor Made R7 TP SuperQuad driver this spring. Don't like the black finish though, so I'm awating the "normal" finish to arrive at stores.

I really hit my R7 425 with Fuji Rombax great - but if the Epon is such a BOMB, I might go for that.
But I'm a design freak, and my bag HAS to look great, not good - and I must admit that the Tourstage design of their clubs looks better than that of the Epon driver and clubs in general.

Good luck with your search - maybe in the end we'll opt for the same driver :tsg_smilie_cool:
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
putt4doh
post Dec 17 2006, 07:40 AM
Post #5


TSG Caddie
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 57
Joined: 25-April 06
From: DC Metro Area
Member No.: 7,880



QUOTE (Claus @ Dec 17 2006, 10:54 AM) *
I have the same "problem" as you do. I'm also picking my driver for the 2007 summer season and the contenders are Epon 460 and Tourstage X-drive 460.

The resale value of the Tourstage driver will be FAR better than that of the Epon 460 here in Europe.
Perhaps 1000 guys in all of Europe, out of a population of 400 million, know about the Epon brand - and this means resale value is very low. The Tourstage brand is pretty popular among avid golfers in Europe, although it's to hard to get - so resale value of Tourstage is good, but still not great.

I have 2 full bags of US equipment - one with Taylor Made driver & woods, Mizuno irons and wedges and Bettinarid Tour DASS putter and the other one with Titleist driver and woods, Ping irons and Vokey wedges and Scotty Cameron putter. But I'm looking for a third bag with some more fancy and limited stuff - a bag full of brands that the weekend golfer will know nothing about. He will not know if the total bag is worth $250 or $4.000 - I like this :tsg_smiley_laughatyou: :tsg_smilie_smile:

I'll for sure get the new Taylor Made R7 TP SuperQuad driver this spring. Don't like the black finish though, so I'm awating the "normal" finish to arrive at stores.

I really hit my R7 425 with Fuji Rombax great - but if the Epon is such a BOMB, I might go for that.
But I'm a design freak, and my bag HAS to look great, not good - and I must admit that the Tourstage design of their clubs looks better than that of the Epon driver and clubs in general.

Good luck with your search - maybe in the end we'll opt for the same driver :tsg_smilie_cool:




Sounds like we're on the same search...

I've developed quite a crush on the 430P, but I tried the 405 and it was a spin machine for me. So although it looks amazing, I'm a little worried about the performance. Basically, I check here mulitple times a day for more info on it's performance, ideally with someone who swings like I do---but beggars can't be choosers.

For all the reasons you state above, I'd love to hit the Epon before I 'take the plunge'. Aside from here and maybe GolfWRX, tough to resell if it doesn't perform...but just as sexy looking as anything out!

So now Miz releases a new driver....and damn it! It looks gorgeous too!

This is part of the reason why it's so tough to find a new driver----they all look SOOO good!
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
TourSpecGolfer
post Dec 17 2006, 09:03 AM
Post #6


Ultra High End Golf Equipment Specialist
Group Icon

Group: +
Administrators
Posts: 6,845
Joined: 10-October 03
From: Japan, Hawaii, Italy
Member No.: 18
Occupation: TSG Specialist
Brand of Choice: Epon

What's in the Bag?:
Check Out My Sig!



I currently own these drivers

ZR-600 10.5 with PT-6
Mizuno MP425 Craft 10.5 w/ Quad 6
Tourstage X-Drive 460 10.5 w/ DREV ICN Tour
Epon 460 w/ Axiv 6564M
TM R7 460 w/ stock shaft
Fourteen JC-606 w/ stock shaft


The epon is by far the best with the fourteen and X-Drive tied for 2nd place. Highest ball speed is the ZR-600.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
siteseer2
post Dec 17 2006, 09:45 AM
Post #7


TSG Member
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 125
Joined: 30-October 03
Member No.: 401



I don't think about resale value-- I think about the perfect gamer. For me its the Epon w/Axiv... want to know whats in the garage-- just about every Tour issue that Nike, Cleveland, TM, Titleist, Cally and B'stone has put out in the last four years-- in 9.5 and 10.5!! So thats quite an endorsement for the Epon and Axiv. I like the 460 more than the 415-- more foregiving (though the 415 is the more classic looking pear shape).
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Blader-X
post Dec 17 2006, 09:49 AM
Post #8


TSG Master
Group Icon

Group: Moderators
Posts: 1,020
Joined: 8-June 06
From: Southern California
Member No.: 7,973

Quote: Don't give up . . . Don't ever give up! - Jim Valvano
Brand of Choice: TourStage, Epon

What's in the Bag?:
TSG Ho Stuff



EPON.

All day, everyday. No contest. At least for me.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
ClubHoUno
post Dec 17 2006, 10:08 AM
Post #9


TSG Active Member
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 341
Joined: 26-March 06
From: Denmark - Europe
Member No.: 7,791

Quote: Always looking for the perfect JAPAN FORGED club......
Occupation: Private investor & day dreamer ;-)
Handicap: LOW!
Brand of Choice: Scratch, Miura, Bettinardi, Epon, Srixon, Cally, TM & Titty



QUOTE (siteseer2 @ Dec 17 2006, 06:45 PM) *
I don't think about resale value-- I think about the perfect gamer. For me its the Epon w/Axiv... want to know whats in the garage-- just about every Tour issue that Nike, Cleveland, TM, Titleist, Cally and B'stone has put out in the last four years-- in 9.5 and 10.5!! So thats quite an endorsement for the Epon and Axiv. I like the 460 more than the 415-- more foregiving (though the 415 is the more classic looking pear shape).


I agree - but if two producst are very close performance wise, then I would always go for the product that has the best resale value and the best design.

This is how I can afford to spend $5.000...plus a year on golf equipment.
If I had unlimited means, I would literally have a house full of golf equipment - we're talking 10 drivers, 10 woods, 10 iron sets etc. For now I have limited my golf craze to only having 3 full bags at a time - and my girlfriend and my friends still think I'm crazy for having 3 complete bags full of new golf gear :tsg_smilie_money3: (IMG:http://www.tourspecgolf.com/forum/style_emoticons/TSG_Smileys/atsg_logo_anim.gif)
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
putt4doh
post Dec 17 2006, 10:40 AM
Post #10


TSG Caddie
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 57
Joined: 25-April 06
From: DC Metro Area
Member No.: 7,880



QUOTE (TourSpecGolfer @ Dec 17 2006, 01:03 PM) *
I currently own these drivers

ZR-600 10.5 with PT-6
Mizuno MP425 Craft 10.5 w/ Quad 6
Tourstage X-Drive 460 10.5 w/ DREV ICN Tour
Epon 460 w/ Axiv 6564M
TM R7 460 w/ stock shaft
Fourteen JC-606 w/ stock shaft
The epon is by far the best with the fourteen and X-Drive tied for 2nd place. Highest ball speed is the ZR-600.



Ok, I'll take one of each! :tsg_smilie_smile:

Serioulsy though, all those sticks are so freakin' gorgeous! How can anyone decide? About the only one I'd cross off the list is the TM...I've just never got along with any of their gear.

I think TSG needs to do a Import Only Big Dog Shoutout, anyone else?



QUOTE (Blader-X @ Dec 17 2006, 01:49 PM) *
EPON.

All day, everyday. No contest. At least for me.



This seems to be the concensus from anyone who's hit/played one....

How does she feel at impact? Can you equate to the feel to say, TM, Titty, Callaway, B'stone, XDrive, or just different and better?



QUOTE (siteseer2 @ Dec 17 2006, 01:45 PM) *
I don't think about resale value-- I think about the perfect gamer. For me its the Epon w/Axiv... want to know whats in the garage-- just about every Tour issue that Nike, Cleveland, TM, Titleist, Cally and B'stone has put out in the last four years-- in 9.5 and 10.5!! So thats quite an endorsement for the Epon and Axiv. I like the 460 more than the 415-- more foregiving (though the 415 is the more classic looking pear shape).



I'm with Klaus. It's not a huge concern, but when you're ho'ing clubs and don't have limitless resources, you have to be 'aware'.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
ranghips7
post Dec 18 2006, 12:00 AM
Post #11


TSG Member
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 166
Joined: 26-October 06
From: Sheffield, UK
Member No.: 8,714

Quote: Practice makes perfect ( well better if not perfect!)
Occupation: HR Manager
Handicap: 7.2
Brand of Choice: Miura/PRGR/Alpha

What's in the Bag?:
Bag1:
Alpha Version 5 460/ Axiv V 6070 6070
Alpha Version 5 3 wood, Axiv V 8070
Tourstage XST 5 Wood (18*) GD TXD-55T
Sonartec HB001 19* Graphite Design OniN2
Sonartec HB001 23* Graphite Design OniN2
Miura MB 5003 Nippon NS Pro 1150 Tour GH 5 - PW
Epon Technity 52* & 58* Mirror Finish Limited Edition NS Pro 1150GH Tour
G-Field Tera
Srixon Z-Urc, Z-Urs or Srixon AD333
Ping Discovery Bag

Bag 2
PRGR T3 Axiv V 6070 9*
Adams 13* Redline Pro Fujikura
Alpha V5 22* Axiv V 8070
Miura CB1006 3 - PW Nippon NS Pro 950 GH Tour
Miura WMF 3 52* and 58* Gunmetal
G-Field Premium Zone #0
Srixon Z-URS, Z-URC or AD333
Wilson Bag



Does this mean that the unanimous opinion is the Epon 460?

I have not heard a bad word about it, but virtually every reviewer has an Axiv shaft in their 460, I have an Axiv v in my PRGR T3 and consider it to be the best shaft I have ever used, and I am delighted with the PRGR, if the Epon is any better it must be fantastic.

Claus, 3 bags is in no way excessive, I currently have 7 or is it 8 sets of Irons, only 6 drivers, 8 FW's, 7 wedges, 5 putters - my girlfriend doesn't understand, but I can forgive her!

Merry Xmas everyone.
Go to the top of the page
 
+Quote Post
Jack lives here
post Dec 24 2006, 03:06 AM
Post #12


TSG Master
Group Icon

Group: Members
Posts: 1,317
Joined: 14-May 05
From: Australia
Member No.: 5,555

Quote: A bad day at golf is better than a good day at work
Occupation: Company Director
Handicap: 12
Brand of Choice: Mizuno

What's in the Bag?:
Driver: Taylor TP 510 8.5* Mitsubishi Rayon TP-85 MT
3 Wood: Epon Technicity 15* Diamana 83S
Utilities: Mizuno UX-2 20* Nippon 1150 S
Mizuno UX-2 23* Nippon 1150 S
Irons: 4 - PW: Gauge Studio Hand Mades Nippon 1150S Wedges: Gauge Studio Hand Mades Nippon 1150 S
Putter: Bettinardi BB2 (sugar filled shaft)
Bag: Mizuno Kabuki
Ball: Titleist Pro V1



QUOTE (ranghi